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hello

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and welcome to episode number nine of

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the point of convergence podcast

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for a very long time now many if not

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most people across the globe have

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wondered

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who else is out there are we alone can

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our species really be the only

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intelligence in the immensity

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of the cosmos and as our understanding

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of the mind-boggling

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vastness of the physical universe has

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grown over time

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along with the development of a much

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more nuanced fine-tuned understanding of

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just how many galaxies

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star systems and planets that likely

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entails

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the preposterousness of the notion that

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we're all alone has only escalated

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but to answer that question we've been

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sending probes out into our solar system

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and now beyond as well as exploratory

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rovers to neighboring worlds like mars

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but from that very large collection of

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nearly everyone on the planet who's

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asked the question about us being alone

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in the universe there is a subsection

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that asks a different question

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are we alone here right here on earth

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or is it possible that we have already

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been and perhaps are presently being

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surveilled by an alien presence much

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more advanced than us

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to the point where our intelligence

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gathering capabilities have thus far

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failed miserably

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in our attempt to answer that question

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definitively

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even though tantalizing hints exist

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almost everywhere we look

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especially since our sensing tools and

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apparatus have taken

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gargantuan leaps in capability over the

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as i say tantalizing hints exist

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suggesting that we are not alone even

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here

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in our own backyard as it were these

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hints include verified unidentified

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flying objects

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or as they're currently referenced in

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government intelligence circles

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unidentified aerial phenomena buzzing in

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and around our airspace

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even some of our most supposedly secure

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protected military airspace

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many of us would go much further arguing

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there is actually persuasive evidence

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for those unbiased enough to really look

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with clear vision to suggest the

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question

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as to their presence here on and around

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the earth

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is a long-settled one in the positive

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but if they're here as we asked in last

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week's podcast

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why the hiddenness why are their

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operations so evidently

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clandestine many experiencers

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who claimed contact with these others

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share a familiar narrative regarding the

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reason they've been told about

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they the others are waiting not

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but while employing various means to

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speed the process along

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for a consciousness upgrade as it were

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amongst the human race

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so that we can arrive at a point in our

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history where a revelation of a superior

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alien presence

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would be welcomed and considered good

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news for humanity

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some are frustrated with this proposed

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reasoning surely the revelation of a

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more technologically capable

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benign alien presence would be good news

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this very day were these others to

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suddenly in some worldwide plain as day

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make themselves known to human

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civilization

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and surely countless challenges

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including disease

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climate change international and

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inter-religious strife

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etc could be well on their way to being

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where this to happen i actually think

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that perspective is misguided and makes

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various assumptions

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about the nature of the world as it

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that simply don't hold water so what

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would really happen if a superior alien

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intelligence suddenly made its presence

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an intriguing question one that is the

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now just a point of clarity as we begin

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the kind of disclosure we're talking

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about today

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is done by the ufo intelligence not by

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now even if we assume their presence and

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intentions are benign

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we cannot begin to answer the question

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disclosure would impact the human

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without first understanding what that

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population actually looks like

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because there are at least two factors

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them and us and i find that often people

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overlook the second part of the equation

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when they attempt to answer this

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now in terms of the question who are we

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human civilization well that's a

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we are an array of different people

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different world views

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and we really have to consider this

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complicated scenario

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when it comes to what capital d

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disclosure would actually look like

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and to look into those various world

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views and how

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different ones would respond we're going

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to be aided by something called spiral

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wikipedia is a model of the evolutionary

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development of individuals

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organizations and societies it was

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based on the emergent cyclical theory of

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so basically what we're going to do here

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is quickly peruse through the different

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levels of consciousness

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this is a very helpful model and yes

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cultures and individuals tend to follow

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fairly predictable trajectories when it

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and not only will we go through each of

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these consciousness stages currently

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existing on the planet but we'll also

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is constituted in that group and how

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survival

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in other words do what you have to to

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key beliefs and actions of this beige

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an individual uses instincts and habits

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just to stay alive the distinct self

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what matters are water food warmth

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sex and safety these have priority over

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how disclosure would be handled by that

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next up we have the purple stage and the

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key word for this stage is safety

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as consciousness of humanity evolves

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it goes into the purple stage that

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the main point here is keep the spirits

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happy and the tribe's nest

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warm and safe the key beliefs and

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thinking is animistic in other words

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magical spirits both good and bad exist

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obeying the desires of spirit beings and

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is essential you need to show allegiance

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memories and events and the observance

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of rites of passage seasonal cycles and

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customs of the tribe are paramount

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the purple stage currently takes up ten

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history of human consciousness

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about ten thousand years ago the red

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it's all about the individual and nobody

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that the world is seen as a jungle full

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of threats and predators

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and the individual breaks free from any

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constraints to please self

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now here we're at a stage where a much

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more significant part of the human

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exist at this red stage but only five

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next up in our journey comes the blue

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that this stage came online

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the key word in this stage is order

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community-focused orientation

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as opposed to the individual centric

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sense that life indeed has

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meaning it is meaningful and it has

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some all-powerful other or order a

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god-like figure in other words

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portion of the human population

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here in 2021 about 35 to 40 percent of

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are at this stage this blue stage

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this blue stage currently holds 25 to 30

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percent of the influence or power

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the key word in the orange stage is

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prosperity

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the key here is again acting in

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self-interest

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but by playing the game in other words

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adhering to the rules of the game but

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at the orange stage we have concepts

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like the american founding fathers

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and rand's atlas shrugged wall street

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the riviera

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the cosmetics industry emerging middle

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classes around the world

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chambers of commerce forbes magazine uh

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corporate america materialism those kind

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of things

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and 25 to 30 percent of the world

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population is currently

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at this orange stage in the united

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states the figure is closer to 50

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percent of the population

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and worldwide 45 to 50 percent of the

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influence or

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now remember the orange stage came

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online about 300 years ago

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following that we have the emergence of

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the green stage

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and the key word for this stage is

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community

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this came online about 150 years ago so

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even more recent

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the key here is to seek peace within the

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inner self and to explore

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with others the caring dimension of

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community

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another way to think of this stage is as

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within this green stage you have things

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like

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john lennon's music greenpeace a deep

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sense of ecology

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animal rights woodstock humanistic

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psychology

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multiculturalism that kind of thing

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10 of the world's population is

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currently at this green stage

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and they currently hold 15 percent of

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the power

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in the united states you can double

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and just to be clear i'm not

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highlighting the united states because i

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happen to be american

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but because most listeners happen to be

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within the united states

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for what it's worth in the nordic

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countries of europe

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a greater percentage of the population

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is further along into these latter

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and we're not quite done yet the

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consciousness train rolls on

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so to speak but we have come to a

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dividing line an important dividing line

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when it comes to consciousness

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development

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we're now entering into what's

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considered the second tier of

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consciousness development

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and this is categorically different than

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the previous stages

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next up we have the turquoise stage and

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the key word here is harmony

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and the basic idea here is to experience

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the wholeness of existence through mind

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and spirit here you find things like ken

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wilbur's spectrum of consciousness

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rupert sheldrake's morphic fields

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marshall mcluhan's global village

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and gandhi's ideas of pluralistic

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harmony

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0.01 percentage of the world population

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are currently at this stage it's fairly

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rare error so to speak

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but they already hold about one percent

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of the power

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and you'll notice that at these higher

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stages they have disproportionately

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strong levels of

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now of course as time goes on additional

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stages of consciousness

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will emerge that's how this works it's

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an emergent process

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but when you think back to what i just

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shared it should be clear that the vast

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majority of people in the world right

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now

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are in the red blue orange green

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stages both in terms of the percentage

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of the population

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as well as the percentage of control in

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the world

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now just to be clear if 95 percent of

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the world's population

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was at the turquoise stage of

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consciousness development

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then capital d disclosure would be no

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big deal

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the others could reveal themselves on

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mass and we would welcome them with open

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arms

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in fact much of the world's population

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if they were indeed at turquoise

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would likely already be perceiving and

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perhaps

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interacting with these others as it

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tends to happen more commonly at these

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higher stages

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because different qualities different

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abilities

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i also think it's helpful to clarify

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that there's a difference between

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states of consciousness and stages of

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consciousness

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when it comes to spiral dynamics and

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integral theory which i'm quite

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interested in

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a state of consciousness can involve a

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sudden peak experience

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which goes beyond the normal level of

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consciousness

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now someone might have a and very

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enlightening experience

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but they're still going to ground that

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experience in terms of the

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level of consciousness they're currently

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at

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and these can happen here and there but

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the center of gravity tends to be at one

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level of consciousness

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once you actually ground a higher stage

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of consciousness

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these events can become much more

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commonplace and you have different hooks

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to hang them on

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so to speak but where things actually

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stand in the world now

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is the center of gravity is around red

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blue

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orange green that should be clear from

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what we just discussed in terms of the

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statistics

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fifteen to twenty percent of the world's

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population is at red

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and they control five percent of the

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influence the blue stage is thirty five

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to forty percent of the world's

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population

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and they control 25 to 30 percent of the

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influence

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the orange stage is 25 to 30 percent of

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the world population

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and they control 45 to 50 percent of the

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influence

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and the green stage is 10 of the world

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population

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and they control about 15 percent of the

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i hope it's clear now why i've laid out

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these different levels of consciousness

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these different

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stages of development because clearly

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the way someone at the red level the red

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stage

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responds to something like the presence

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of an alien intelligence that's superior

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to us

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is going to be very different than how

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someone responds

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at the green and definitely at the

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turquoise level remember to the red

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level

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the world is seen as a jungle full of

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predators

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it's us versus them so imagine how that

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stage of development is going to respond

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to something like an alien

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presence that's not even human let alone

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now with a firm understanding of the

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different consciousness levels around

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the world today

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we're ready to move on to the next

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section when we really

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dive into what would the impact of

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disclosure be

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let's first discuss some of the

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potential positives and i would just

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warn you here i think some of these are

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double-edged swords there are positive

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aspects

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but some negative too the first one

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would be the scientific

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eye opener this would be redemption for

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many in ufology

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it would be your classic i told you so

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if the presence of an alien intelligence

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suddenly became

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undeniable then the scientific

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establishment would have to do a 180.

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we would also have advances in disease

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treatment and even prevention

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likely given to us by this alien species

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that's very possible

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and that would be of course very

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positive we would also likely have

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access to

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new renewable forms of energy that are

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categorically different than what we

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have now

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and this could help provide potential

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solutions for

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with assistance of this alien

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intelligence we could also lift the

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developing world out of extreme poverty

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and there may be even perhaps ways to

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terraform parts of the earth that are

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presently deserts

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and also we could potentially resolve

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religious disputes

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about the nature of ultimate reality

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based on the revelations given to us by

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this alien intelligence

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these are all potentially positive

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aspects from

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but i would also argue that this is a

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somewhat superficial way of looking at

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this

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issue most people or many people anyway

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around the world again based on the

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consciousness levels we just discussed

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do not make decisions based on

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rationality and reason

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the meaning making that people use to

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make sense of their lives is very

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different

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and how they would actually respond not

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based on what it could provide but just

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a sheer ontological shock

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uh the revelation of an alien

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intelligence that's been here

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perhaps all along would be drastic

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in my mind and here i'd remind you of

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the buddhist perspective that

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what looks good might not be so or don't

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be so quick to assume what is good and

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what is bad

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next up i think it would be helpful to

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consider this question

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from various key domains when it comes

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to our civilization

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the first one i'd like to look at is the

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economic impact

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we have a largely petroleum-based energy

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sector

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that controls much of our economy even

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today

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and this would be completely

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destabilized i would argue

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with the revelation of an alien

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intelligence that's vastly superior to

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us

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and this is a huge keg in our global

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economy

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the financial markets which are by

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nature speculative

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and psychologically framed would go into

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disarray

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many will panic sell because the entire

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idea of what it means to make a market

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now let's think clearly about this for a

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second when an

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alien intelligence clearly demonstrates

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the use of an energy source

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that is perhaps limitless and free

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perhaps pulled from the ether or the

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vacuum of space itself then

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any kind of economy that's built on

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something like

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fossils that we pull from the ground

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from the dinosaur era

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is going to crash and crash fast

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now also consider how remote viewing and

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telepathy might

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affect markets if it becomes clear

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perhaps with the assistance of these

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aliens then human beings even

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can use retrocausation to change the

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past

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or precognition to know the future

586
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then our entire capitalistic structure

587
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,840
comes into question

588
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,320
again this is collapse on a massive

589
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,950
take for instance what happened in the

590
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,840
housing crash of 2008 2009

591
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,520
which took a lot of effort and

592
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,039
government intervention to

593
00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:52,080
ever overcome it took years in fact and

594
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,360
that happened because of a massive shift

595
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,080
psychologically

596
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,720
in the markets when it came to the faith

597
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,000
in the housing sector

598
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:02,080
and the fact that it had always gone up

599
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,039
historically and so

600
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,320
incredibly crazy uh speculative uh

601
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,000
investments were done around the housing

602
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,600
sector but when that suddenly

603
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,840
came into question the entire house of

604
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,200
cards collapsed

605
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,280
and i hate to tell you but much of our

606
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,799
economy is still built

607
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,960
on some of these various levels of

608
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:20,400
houses of cards

609
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,919
and something like the ontological shock

610
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,640
just the sheer what does this mean for

611
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,240
us and for reality

612
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,919
moment that comes with capital d

613
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:31,840
disclosure would certainly be

614
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,280
that and a lot more

615
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,960
next let's move on to the religious

616
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,799
element the religious domain

617
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,480
this is the meaning maker sector of

618
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,679
people's lives and it's important

619
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,280
now i think the religious response would

620
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,960
be somewhat mixed

621
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,799
many catholics and this might surprise

622
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,640
some people but many catholics will

623
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,320
handle it all right

624
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,240
considering the vatican even has done

625
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:55,679
some preparatory work

626
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,440
preparing people for this eventuality

627
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,360
most evangelical christians on the other

628
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,440
hand will likely not respond well or at

629
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,039
least vast swathes of them will not

630
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,159
respond well

631
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,320
and they will insist these are demonic

632
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,200
in nature

633
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,120
no matter how much evidence is gathered

634
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,480
to the contrary

635
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:15,360
again rationality and reason don't

636
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,870
fundamentalists around the world both

637
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,240
christian and islamic

638
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,960
many of them anyway will not take this

639
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,679
well

640
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,320
again not only will they likely launch

641
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,320
attacks on the others if they can

642
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,600
because they will be convinced they're

643
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,799
demonic but they may even launch attacks

644
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,640
against any and all human groups who

645
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,640
make accords with these others

646
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,400
again because that's what the worldview

647
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:42,159
dictates that's the level of

648
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:42,960
consciousness

649
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,470
and before we move on i just want to

650
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,880
make one thing clear even within

651
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,320
religions you have different

652
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,159
consciousness levels a

653
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,279
liberal mainline presbyterian is going

654
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,960
to have very different beliefs and be at

655
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,039
a very different level of consciousness

656
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,600
than perhaps a fundamentalist baptist so

657
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,559
i'm not

658
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,320
putting all religious people in these

659
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,159
groups i was specifically referring to

660
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:09,679
fundamentalist groups

661
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,440
and the consciousness level they're at

662
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,279
next let's turn to the domain of

663
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,159
medicine western medicine in particular

664
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,840
has long ignored subjects like

665
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,159
spirituality intentionality

666
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,400
mind over matter as it were as it

667
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,640
applies to disease treatment

668
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,640
and its assumptions will largely be

669
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,640
stripped out from underneath it

670
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,120
as the alien presence exposes a much

671
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,799
more holistic

672
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,039
viewpoint and while this may not

673
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:38,960
collapse the medical infrastructure it

674
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,789
next let's turn to the socio-political

675
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,000
arena now

676
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:49,039
first off if alien disclosure involves

677
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,159
revelations about

678
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,720
government cover-up and lies that go

679
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,720
back 70 plus years

680
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,480
then this will cause incredible

681
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,000
stressors in the society

682
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:00,000
it will call into question the authority

683
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,120
of government

684
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,440
and people will greatly question the

685
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,279
government's ability to defend

686
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,919
a people which is key to what a

687
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,559
government is supposed to be about

688
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,720
and the very definition and existence of

689
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,240
nation nation-states themselves

690
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,880
will begin to be called into question

691
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,400
now that might sound good

692
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,159
and indicative of where the world is

693
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:23,120
headed in terms of sharing resources

694
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,480
but if forced suddenly in the short term

695
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:29,200
it can cause major stressors conflict

696
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,840
turmoil

697
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,559
and war and there could be international

698
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,279
conflict

699
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,400
nation versus nation because one nation

700
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,240
might embrace this alien presence while

701
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,720
another one again with a critical mass

702
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,960
of consciousness at a much lower level

703
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,200
might not embrace it whatsoever

704
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:47,120
and this can create a warring

705
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,950
and here are a couple of other

706
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,559
considerations when it comes to

707
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,559
implications of this kind of

708
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,159
revelation of alien presence now again i

709
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,400
think this would fundamentally change us

710
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,520
we see how experiencers are changed well

711
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,640
i think this would happen

712
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,720
to the nth degree into a much larger

713
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,880
swath of the population

714
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,960
so imagine that telepathic abilities

715
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,200
long latent in human beings

716
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,000
suddenly leap forward this would bring

717
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,840
all sorts of privacy concerns to the

718
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,880
forefront

719
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,320
and that would happen before we've had

720
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,640
the necessary non-dual consciousness

721
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,520
upgrades to support this new reality

722
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,919
again the context at which these

723
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,159
new emergent properties come online

724
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,279
really does matter

725
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:35,440
you need to have a supportive context

726
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,679
for this stuff to be handled peacefully

727
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,679
i've also considered the possibility of

728
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,240
a kind of collective kundalini blowout

729
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,240
of massive proportions

730
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,080
again kundalini blowouts happen to

731
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,760
people when they suddenly

732
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,600
have experiences that are far beyond

733
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,039
what they're ready for

734
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,360
and it basically overwhelms their

735
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,799
consciousness

736
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,960
now imagine that happening to millions

737
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,240
even billions of people

738
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,760
at the same time key point here is that

739
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:05,840
the various support beams holding many

740
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,320
people

741
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,880
and many societal structures together

742
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:10,559
may very well collapse under

743
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,870
now some will argue and to some degree i

744
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,399
understand this argument

745
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,559
couldn't this alien intelligence help us

746
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,000
with this transition

747
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,840
couldn't they support us through these

748
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,080
uh difficult times

749
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,240
well indeed they could but it would not

750
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,399
be a small task it would basically

751
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,880
involve them establishing a kind of

752
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,240
massive

753
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,679
thorough incubation chamber so to speak

754
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,720
to support our entire civilization and

755
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,080
all of the different world views that

756
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,760
exist within it the different people

757
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,399
groups

758
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,399
all that complexity would have to be

759
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,360
basically controlled overtaken

760
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,559
by this alien presence and from what

761
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,679
we've heard from experiencers

762
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,559
the law of non-interference holds sway

763
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,600
most of the time

764
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,679
and i think that's what's happening here

765
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,679
they are not interfering because to do

766
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,840
so to reveal themselves on a massive

767
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,600
scale

768
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,480
would require this kind of massive

769
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,520
interference

770
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,120
and that's again what they're trying to

771
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,279
avoid so instead

772
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
what i would argue is that they're

773
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,320
working behind the scenes

774
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,960
uh in a preparatory way to raise

775
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,720
consciousness incrementally and they're

776
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,559
putting support structures in place

777
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,440
even stealthily as we heard from susie

778
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,039
hansen and her

779
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,720
description of what she was told in

780
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:32,320
terms of the plan

781
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,840
and that's what's actually happening

782
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,440
now regardless of where you stand on

783
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:39,200
these issues and whether you think that

784
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,000
scenario

785
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,320
in terms of alien intentions sounds

786
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,799
realistic or not i hope today's

787
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,880
discussion has demonstrated just the

788
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,039
level of complexity involved

789
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,600
in this kind of revelation of alien

790
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,399
presence

791
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,840
when we have all these different

792
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,520
structures of consciousness

793
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,120
coexisting in the world today

794
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,440
the bottom line is if indeed there is an

795
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,200
alien presence here

796
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,840
and it is benign it means well towards

797
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,960
humanity

798
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,600
then i think these issues demonstrate

799
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,440
why there could be very good reasons why

800
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,039
they are delaying disclosure

801
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:15,200
why they are working stealthily behind

802
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,590
and on that note we've come to the close

803
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,720
of another edition

804
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,039
of the point of convergence podcast i

805
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,880
hope you'll tune in again next week

806
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,559
as we continue this fascinating

807
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,240
discussion

808
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,080
as always let's keep the conversation

809
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,000
going and growing

810
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,159
but for now from deep in the blue ridge